Hi Richard - here's my tinkering with the description in the manual
(pushed).  Let me know if you see any problems.

Meanwhile, I guess we can close this. If anything more is pending from
your side, let me know or feel free to re-open. Thanks again. -k

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doc: move most --stderr-prefix doc to a new subsubsection.

Still in https://bugs.gnu.org/72536.

* doc/automake.texi (TAP setup and examples):
(TAP stderr examples),
TAP stderr prefixing): split TAP examples
into new subsubsections. Add discussion of race condition and
other reordering from the open bug.
* NEWS: mention --stderr-prefix.
diff --git a/NEWS b/NEWS
index 34876f3db..26b433314 100644
--- a/NEWS
+++ b/NEWS
@@ -6,6 +6,9 @@ New in 1.x:

 * New features added

+  - New option --stderr-prefix for tap-driver.sh, to prefix each line of
+    stderr from a test script with a given string. (bug#72536)
+
   - Support for Algol 68 added, based on the GNU Algol 68 compiler. (bug#75807)

   - New option dist-bzip3 for bzip3 compression of distributions. (bug#73795)
@@ -18,6 +21,9 @@ New in 1.x:
   - Avoid Perl 5.41.8+ precedence warning for use of !!.
     (https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/automake/2025-01/msg00000.html)

+  - a Perl path containing whitespace now emits a warning instead of
+    an error, so ./configure PERL='/usr/bin/env perl' can work. (bug#74453)
+
   - The py-compile script once again does nothing (successfully) if the
     PYTHON environment variable is set to ":", or anything that isn't a
     Python interpreter (according to $PYTHON -V). Exception: if PYTHON
diff --git a/doc/automake.texi b/doc/automake.texi
index 9fa94689f..bb66aea5c 100644
--- a/doc/automake.texi
+++ b/doc/automake.texi
@@ -10516,6 +10516,7 @@ with the @samp{#} character) in the testsuite progress 
output too; by
 default, TAP diagnostics are only copied to the @file{.log} file.
 @item --no-comments
 Revert the effects of @option{--comments}.
+
 @item --merge
 Instruct the test driver to merge the test scripts' standard error into
 their standard output.  This is necessary if you want to ensure that
@@ -10526,8 +10527,10 @@ tracing active).  As a downside, this option might 
cause the test
 harness to get confused if anything that appears on standard error
 looks like a test result.  Use @option{--stderr-prefix} to prefix each
 line of standard error to avoid this problem.
+
 @item --no-merge
 Revert the effects of @option{--merge}.
+
 @item --stderr-prefix @var{STRING}
 Prefix each line of the test script's standard error with
 @code{@var{STRING}}.  Defaults to the empty string.  This option makes
@@ -10549,39 +10552,13 @@ literal characters @samp{@@%:@@} in the prefix 
(@samp{@@%@@&t@@:@@}, for
 example).
 @end table

-For example, in shell, @samp{--stderr-prefix "@@%:@@[stderr] "} will
-prefix each line of the test script's standard error with
-@samp{#[stderr] }.
-
-When prefixing standard error lines, the test program's standard error
-lines can be processed out of order relative to the test program's
-standard output lines, even when @option{--merge} is used.  This can be
-due to many factors, including:
-
-@itemize @bullet
-@item
-Output buffering in the test program: The test program might be
-accumulating output data and writing it to the operating system in
-batches, not as soon as it is available.  You can try
-@uref{man:setvbuf(3),,setvbuf(3)} to change the buffering mode in the
-test program, or you can add regular flushes.  OS-specific utilities to
-control buffering may be available, such as
-@uref{man:stdbuf(1),,stdbuf(1)} on GNU/Linux systems.
+For example, the option @samp{--stderr-prefix "@@%:@@[stderr] "}
+passed on the command line will prefix each line of the test script's
+standard error with @samp{#[stderr] }.

-@item
-Concurrent processing of standard output and standard error: Due to a
-limitation of the shell command language, the TAP driver processes
-standard output in a different thread or process than standard error.
-Thus, processing order is influenced by how the operating system
-schedules the two threads or processes for execution.
-
-@item
-Line-based processing: When prefixing standard error, the TAP driver
-waits until a complete line is read from the test program before
-processing the line.  This reduces the chances that characters from a
-standard output line are mixed with characters from a standard error
-line.
-@end itemize
+For more details on @option{--stderr-prefix} processing, especially
+the occasional output reordering due to a race condition, @pxref{TAP
+prefixing stderr}.

 @item --diagnostic-string @var{STRING}
 Change the string that introduces TAP diagnostics from the default value
@@ -10596,7 +10573,18 @@ the ``official'' TAP protocol does not allow for such 
a customization; so
 don't use it if you can avoid it.
 @end table

-@noindent
+@menu
+* TAP setup and examples:: Setup and examples of TAP usage.
+* TAP stderr examples::    Examples of stderr issues and processing.
+* TAP prefixing stderr::   Details about @option{--stderr-prefix} processing.
+@end menu
+
+@node TAP setup and examples
+@subsubsection TAP setup and examples
+
+@cindex TAP setup, example of
+@cindex setting up TAP, example
+
 Here is an example of how the TAP driver can be set up and used.

 @c Keep in sync with tap-doc2.sh
@@ -10670,7 +10658,19 @@ PASS: baz.test 1
 ...
 % @kbd{echo exit status: $?}
 exit status: 0
+@end example

+@node TAP stderr examples
+@subsubsection TAP stderr examples
+
+@cindex TAP stderr example
+@cindex stderr example in TAP
+
+Here is a sequence of examples showing the issue with merging stdout
+and stderr, and the resolution with @option{--stderr-prefix}.  Read
+the comments for specifics.
+
+@example
 % @kbd{cat stderr-demo.test}
 #!/bin/sh
 echo 'ok 1'
@@ -10721,9 +10721,69 @@ PASS: stderr-demo.test 1
 ok 2
 PASS: stderr-demo.test 2
 1..2
-
 @end example

+@node TAP prefixing stderr
+@subsubsection TAP prefixing stderr
+
+@cindex TAP prefixing stderr
+@cindex prefixing stderr in TAP
+@cindex stderr prefixing in TAP
+@cindex race condition in stderr prefixing
+
+@c see https://bugs.gnu.org/72536 for this feature and discussion.
+
+When using the above @option{--stderr-prefix} TAP option, the test
+program's standard error lines might occasionally be processed out of
+order relative to the test program's standard output lines,
+particularly when @option{--merge} is also used.  This can be due to
+many factors, including:
+
+@itemize @bullet
+@item
+Output buffering in the test program: The test program might be
+accumulating output data and writing it to the operating system in
+batches, not as soon as it is available.  You can try setvbuf(3) to
+change the buffering mode in the test program, or you can add regular
+flushes.  OS-specific utilities to control buffering may be available,
+such as stdbuf(1) on GNU/Linux systems.
+
+@item
+Concurrent processing of standard output and standard error: Due to a
+limitation of the shell command language, the TAP driver processes
+standard output in a different thread or process than standard error,
+causing a race condition.  Thus, processing order is influenced by how
+the operating system schedules the two threads or processes for
+execution.
+
+@item
+Line-based processing: When prefixing standard error, the TAP driver
+waits until a complete line is read from the test program before
+processing the line.  This reduces the chances that characters from a
+standard output line are mixed with characters from a standard error
+line.
+@end itemize
+
+Thus, stderr lines might appear out of order relative to stdout lines,
+even when @option{--merge} is passed.  All stderr lines are still
+processed in order relative to other stderr lines, and the same goes
+for the stdout lines relative to other stdout lines.  So the
+reordering shouldn't break a package's TAP tests, since there's no
+reason to output TAP commands to stderr; even more so when stderr
+lines are prefixed.
+
+When working on a particular test, if you find the reordering is
+causing trouble, you can omit @option{--stderr-prefix}, or run the
+test directly (not via TAP) to get a more accurate understanding of
+output timing.
+
+Overall, though, the order of processing (and logging) should not
+differ from the order of the test program's write(2) calls by much.
+Out-of-order processing only happens if the test program writes to
+stdout then stderr but the kernel wakes up the TAP driver's
+thread/process that is reading stderr before it wakes up the TAP
+driver's thread/process that is reading stdout, or vice versa.
+
 @node Incompatibility with other TAP parsers and drivers
 @subsection Incompatibility with other TAP parsers and drivers


compile finished at Sun Feb 23 09:55:43 2025




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