Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On Mon, 2007-01-22 at 08:43 -0600, Jason Kraftcheck wrote: >> Ralf Wildenhues wrote: >>> Hello Jason, >>> >>> thanks for your work. While I'm not to judge this, and pretty >>> indifferent about it, a couple of question to clarify a bit: >>> >>> * Jason Kraftcheck wrote on Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 11:36:55PM CET: >>>> This patch prefixes the compile and link commands in the generated >>>> Makefile's with $(AM_PFX). It leaves AM_PFX undefined, so the default >>>> behavior is unchanged. If a package maintainer wants to change the >>>> output, (s)he can do something like: AM_PFX = @echo "$@ ..."; > > If you really want to reduce verbosity, you can't avoid making it a > configuration-time or run-time option, not an automake-option, otherwise > you are forcing people not liking your style of "verbosity", to patch > around into your sources.
I wasn't suggesting that it be an automake option. I suppose someone could use this to do something unpleasant like hard-code AM_PFX=@ in their Makefile.am's. But if the mechanism for suppressing the output is standardized, at least you could more easily override it: AM_PFX= make -e > >>> What's the improvement over >>> AM_MAKEFLAGS = -s > Did you try setting "MAKEFLAGS=-s" in your environment? No. But I don't want it to be entirely silent. I like to see some indication of what is begin built. > > Frankly speaking, I am still far from finding your intention helpful. > Such "non-verbose" makefiles are a massive PITA, for example during > Fedora package reviews and when debugging broken Makefiles. The change I suggested allowed for reducing the output if one desires to. Presumably, if a package maintainer chooses to utilize this feature at all they will provide some configure option to enable/disable it. It is certainly my intention to have have the default be to echo the build commands for the package I intend to use this in. If this type of output bothers you so much, wouldn't it make more sense to have a standard way to restore the normal output (e.g. AM_PFX= make -e) than to have to override whatever random scheme the package manager chose to suppress the output (e.g. some custom modification of automake). - jason
