On Sun, 31 Aug 2025 18:24:32 -0400, Tony Harminc <[email protected]> wrote:
>but you are not entitled to your own facts Sorry to have triggered you. Which of my statements was an opinion? They were factually true. >The obvious place to start would be to point to the documention that >supports your claim; ideally for all products, but I'd take any one product >of your choice. I'll make this extremely simple. Every message manual is supposed to have a "summary of message changes". e.g. https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/3.1.0?topic=sc-summary-message-changes-zos-mvs-system-messages-vol-6-gos-iea-zos-31 "Deleted" message numbers are explicitly for the programmatic interface. Without message text, these deleted messages are unusable to the average person. "Deleted" is notification that anything relying upon that message (e.g. TSO, Rexx, Automation and ???) must take corrective action because the message is no longer part of the programmatic interface. Netview automation is only functional because messages are an official programmatic interface. You can't write automation without this official programmatic interface. Talk to any automation expert and ask them if they can do their job without message manuals. If this doesn't convince you, then nothing will. As for the "summary of message changes" there are a few message manuals where it's missing (e.g. CICS). Maybe they rely upon HOLD AO to document summary of changes. Maybe no one has been bitten by CICS message changes.
