"Partial returns of any IPv6 allocation that results in less than a /36 of holding are not permitted, [...]"
This would seem to address Albert's issue, and remove the uncertainty of "downgrade" while allowing for a "complete return" of IPv6 space. Leif Sawyer GCI | Enterprise Security Architect t: 907-868-0116 | w: www.gci.com<https://www.gci.com> ________________________________ From: ARIN-PPML <[email protected]> on behalf of [email protected] <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 8:10 AM To: Rob Seastrom Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2020-3: IPv6 Nano-allocations [EXTERNAL EMAIL - CAUTION: Do not open unexpected attachments or links.] How about "Downgrades of any IPv6 allocation to less than a /36 OTHER THAN A RETURN OF ALL IPv6 RESOURCES are not permitted regardless of the ISP’s current or former IPv4 number resource holdings." At least this avoids the "Hotel California" issue. Albert Erdmann Network Administrator Paradise On Line Inc. On Tue, 21 Jul 2020, Rob Seastrom wrote: > > Hi Albert, > > As a practical matter, I don’t think the NRPM overrides your ability to > terminate your contract with ARIN should that become a business requirement. > > Do you have alternative language to suggest that is clear, concise, and > preserves the intent of narrowly boxing in nano-allocations for the tiniest > of providers with IPv4 rather than incenting undersizing IPv6 allocations? > Remember that the whole reason for the default /32 allocation is that we wish > for IPv6 allocations to be the polar opposite of IPv4 slow-start - a > one-and-done approach that minimizes both unnecessary routing table growth > and the need to come back to ARIN for more space. > > Thanks, > > -r > > > > >> On Jul 21, 2020, at 11:26 AM, [email protected] wrote: >> >> I have a problem with this language: >> >> "Downgrades of any IPv6 allocation to less than a /36 are not permitted >> regardless of the ISP’s current or former IPv4 number resource holdings." >> >> Downgrades include in my mind a return, and thus a downgrade to 0. This >> language seems to lock in anyone who has ever requested IPv6 space. >> >> Does this make a request for IPv6 space from ARIN like the Hotel California, >> where you can never leave.... >> >> If I were one of those ISP's with a /24 of IPv4, and I took the minimum >> allocation of IPv6 which raised my fees to $500 from $250, does this >> language make me continue to pay $500/yr even if I decide to return all my >> IPv6 resources to ARIN, and either get IPv6 space from my upstream or forgo >> use of IPv6? >> >> Albert Erdmann >> Network Administrator >> Paradise On Line Inc. >> >> >> On Tue, 21 Jul 2020, ARIN wrote: >> >>> On 16 July 2020, the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) advanced the following >>> Draft Policy to Recommended Draft Policy status: >>> >>> ARIN-2020-3: IPv6 Nano-allocations >>> >>> The text of the Recommended Draft Policy is below, and may also be found at: >>> >>> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2020_3/<https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2020_3> >>> >>> You are encouraged to discuss all Recommended Draft Policies on PPML prior >>> to their presentation at the next ARIN Public Policy Consultation (PPC). >>> PPML and PPC discussions are invaluable to the AC when determining >>> community consensus. >>> >>> The PDP can be found at: >>> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/<https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp> >>> >>> Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at: >>> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/<https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Sean Hopkins >>> Policy Analyst >>> American Registry for Internet Numbers >>> >>> >>> >>> Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2020-3: IPv6 Nano-allocations >>> >>> AC Assessment of Conformance with the Principles of Internet Number >>> Resource Policy: >>> >>> Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2020-3 provides for small IPv6 allocations to >>> ISPs. This policy would allow the smallest ISP organizations to obtain a >>> /40 of IPv6 addresses. This recommended draft is technically sound, >>> supported by the community and enables fair and impartial administration of >>> number resources by providing the smallest organizations the opportunity to >>> obtain an IPv6 allocation without a fee increase under the current fee >>> schedule. >>> >>> Problem Statement: >>> >>> ARIN’s ISP registration services fee structure has graduated fee categories >>> based upon the total amount of number resources held within the ARIN >>> registry. >>> >>> In the case of the very smallest ISPs, if a 3X-Small ISP (with a /24 or >>> smaller of IPv4) gets the present minimal-sized IPv6 allocation (a /36), >>> its annual fees will double from $250 to $500/year. >>> >>> According to a Policy Experience Report presented by Registration Services >>> to the AC at its annual workshop in January 2020, this represents a >>> disincentive to IPv6 adoption with a substantial fraction of so-situated >>> ISPs saying “no thanks” and abandoning their request for IPv6 number >>> resources when informed of the impact on their annual fees. >>> >>> This can be addressed by rewriting subsection 6.5.2.1(b). Initial >>> Allocation Size to allow allocation of a /40 to only the smallest ISPs upon >>> request, and adding a new clause 6.5.2.1(g) to cause an automatic upgrade >>> to at least a /36 in the case where the ISP is no longer 3X-Small. >>> >>> Reserving /40s only for organizations initially expanding into IPv6 from an >>> initial sliver of IPv4 space will help to narrowly address the problem >>> observed by Registration Services while avoiding unintended consequences by >>> accidentally giving a discount for undersized allocations. >>> >>> Policy Statement: >>> >>> Replace the current 6.5.2.1(b) with the following: >>> >>> b. In no case shall an LIR receive smaller than a /32 unless they >>> specifically request a /36 or /40. >>> >>> In order to be eligible for a /40, an ISP must meet the following >>> requirements: >>> >>> Hold IPv4 direct allocations totaling a /24 or less (to include zero) >>> Hold IPv4 reassignments/reallocations totaling a /22 or less (to include >>> zero) >>> In no case shall an ISP receive more than a /16 initial allocation. >>> >>> Add 6.5.2.1(g) as follows: >>> >>> g. An LIR that requests a smaller /36 or /40 allocation is entitled to >>> expand the allocation to any nibble aligned size up to /32 at any time >>> without renumbering or additional justification. /40 allocations shall be >>> automatically upgraded to /36 if at any time said LIR’s IPv4 direct >>> allocations exceed a /24. Expansions up to and including a /32 are not >>> considered subsequent allocations, however any expansions beyond /32 are >>> considered subsequent allocations and must conform to section 6.5.3. >>> Downgrades of any IPv6 allocation to less than a /36 are not permitted >>> regardless of the ISP’s current or former IPv4 number resource holdings. >>> >>> Timetable for Implementation: Immediate >>> >>> Comments: >>> >>> The intent of this policy proposal is to make IPv6 adoption at the very >>> bottom end expense-neutral for the ISP and revenue-neutral for ARIN. The >>> author looks forward to a future era wherein IPv6 is the dominant >>> technology and IPv4 is well in decline and considered optional leading the >>> Community to conclude that sunsetting this policy is prudent in the >>> interests of avoiding an incentive to request undersized IPv6 allocations. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ARIN-PPML >>> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >>> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). >>> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >>> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml<https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml> >>> Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. >> _______________________________________________ >> ARIN-PPML >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml<https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml> >> Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. > >
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