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Exactly.  We were supposed to drop that thread.  Remember,  nothing of the 
disagreement had or has anything to do with Dogan personally.  His arguments 
have been confronted and criticized.  Nobody on this list has advocated 
anything about anyone personally, on the list.  What's said offlist, is said 
offlist.

So Lara has misplaced her defense in that there is no attack on Dogan to 
defend against.  I don't doubt Dogan's intelligence, his sincerity, or his 
philosophical investigations.  I'm not the least bit interested in his 
intelligence, his sincerity, or his philosophical investigations, except as 
they are expressed in his concrete political assertions-- like supporting 
the CPUSA's strategy of  supporting the center-right Democrat's version of 
"health reform," as a viable strategy for connecting with, or creating, a 
mass coalition of classes, and class representatives,  that will somehow 
become the struggle for socialism.

and Les,  "over" means, transmission ended, reply awaited.  "out" means 
transmission ended, do not reply.  It's either/or, it cannot be both, not 
even in Hegelian terms.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Les Schaffer" <schaf...@optonline.net>
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> please everyone stop using subscribers names in the Subject line.
>
> over and out.
>
> Les


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