Of course you are entitled to your opinions (and I respect them) and advice the producer accordingly.
Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 1:48 AM, jan i <[email protected]> wrote: > On 6 July 2015 at 00:38, Pierre Smits <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Thank you, Ross. > > > > When you're only inward looking, meaning how the visions of ASF > > contributors and the products of ASF projects can help other ASF projects > > in building their communities, then you are probably right. The ASF has > it > > structures and policies and such in place. > > > > But there is a multitude of other open source communities out there. And > > those can benefit from both the visions of ASF contributors and ASF > > projects. This track - as already outlined earlier in another thread - > can > > provide some coherence in that respect at the ApacheCon event. In the end > > it is all about attracting attendees, right? > > > No it is also about sending the right signals. When we give a track a name > we also > set an expectation, and anything related to community will be seen as > "apache > communities". > > Therefore I agree with Ross, which does not mean that these talks will be > rejected, they > might fit in other tracks. > > Please also note, "the apache way" is part of the community track, that is > tradition. > > rgds > jan I. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Pierre Smits > > > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > > Services & Solutions for Cloud- > > Based Manufacturing, Professional > > Services and Retail & Trade > > http://www.orrtiz.com > > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 1:27 AM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > To clarify my comment below. I'm not objecting to the talks, I'm > > objecting > > > to the implication that they are a central part to ASF community > > > development processes. > > > > > > Sent from my Windows Phone > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)<mailto:[email protected]> > > > Sent: 7/5/2015 3:24 PM > > > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > > Cc: Bertrand Delacretaz<mailto:[email protected]>; Nick > > Burch<mailto: > > > [email protected]>; Sharan Foga<mailto:[email protected]>; Maxim > > > Solodovnik<mailto:[email protected]>; Mike Bates<mailto: > > > [email protected]>; Angela Brown<mailto: > > > [email protected]>; Joan Touzet<mailto:[email protected]> > > > Subject: RE: Apachecon EU 2015, track 'How visions of the ASF > > contributors > > > and ASF Products can help building Open Source Communities > > > > > > I don't see the open meetings or ofbiz belong in a track that " brings > > > together some of the elements of the ASF philosophies to > > > build healthy communities, consider the user and introduce some of the > > > Apache product that any open source community can apply to ease the day > > to > > > day operations." > > > > > > To my knowledge neither project is used in the way described in the > > > abstracts within the ASF. > > > > > > Sent from my Windows Phone > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Pierre Smits<mailto:[email protected]> > > > Sent: 7/5/2015 2:08 PM > > > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > > Cc: Bertrand Delacretaz<mailto:[email protected]>; Nick > > Burch<mailto: > > > [email protected]>; Sharan Foga<mailto:[email protected]>; Maxim > > > Solodovnik<mailto:[email protected]>; Mike Bates<mailto: > > > [email protected]>; Angela Brown<mailto: > > > [email protected]>; Joan Touzet<mailto:[email protected]> > > > Subject: Apachecon EU 2015, track 'How visions of the ASF contributors > > and > > > ASF Products can help building Open Source Communities > > > > > > HI All, > > > > > > Please find below the details and sequence of talks of above mentioned > > > potential track. > > > > > > *Introduction* > > > > > > The ASF is the single biggest non profit organisation involved in > > > supporting communities to develop open source solutions. Being on the > > fore > > > front of open source development its portfolio encompasses numerous > > > software products that support businesses, governments and NGOs in key > > > areas like presenting web pages, business processes, development and > big > > > data. > > > The contributors of the ASF come from all continents and organisations > > that > > > utilise the ASF products. As such key contributors have insights that > can > > > help open source communities to stay healthy and grow. And various > > products > > > of the ASF can support the operational aspects of those communities. > > > > > > This track brings together some of the elements of the ASF philosophies > > to > > > build healthy communities, consider the user and introduce some of the > > > Apache product that any open source community can apply to ease the day > > to > > > day operations. > > > > > > *Talks* > > > #1 Talk 6115 - Communities matter: Developing and Enforcing the Apache > > Code > > > of Conduct, By Joan Touzet, Canada link: > > > http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6115 > > > > > > This talk addresses the issue of the diversity needed in and already > > > available in the communities of open source projects, how project > > > management committees can attract talents and keep the entire community > > > happy. > > > > > > > > > #2 Talk 6085 - Will The Apache Maturity Model save your project? By > > > Bertrand Delacrétraz, Switzerland > > > http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6085 > > > > > > This talk is about how to an open source community can measure and > guard > > > the healthiness of its project(s). > > > > > > > > > #3 Talk 6071 - Conferencing with Apache OpenMeetings, Maxim Solodovnik > > > http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6071 > > > > > > This talks is about the Audio & Video Conferencing solution of the ASF > > that > > > can be used in the operational area of the open source project and/or > its > > > supporting organisation. > > > > > > > > > #4 Talk - Leverage Community Management with Apache OFBiz. By Pierre > > Smits, > > > The Netherlands > > > > > > This talk is about how Apache OFBiz can be used to manage the > contributor > > > base of the project(s) of an open source community and how delegation > of > > > permissions management can ease the burden on those who make anything > > > happen. At the same time it can present various insights on who is part > > of > > > which project and in what kind of role. > > > > > > #5 Talk - 6029 - It's OK - Consensus Reached. We've agreed to disagree! > > By > > > Sharan Foga, Czech Republic > > > http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6029 > > > > > > Consensus is paramount in Apache projects when it comes to code. > Opposing > > > viewpoints of contributors need to come together in order to reach > > > consensus. It can not be said to often that in order to have a healthy > > > project, contributors need to work towards an acceptable compromise and > > > express their consent when it comes to code changes. However, it must > > also > > > be brought repeatedly to the front light that consensus is not required > > > when it comes to procedural issues. There it is a nice to have. > > > > > > > > > #6 Talk 6168 - The Apache Way Theory. By Nick Burch, United Kingdom > > > http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6168 > > > > > > This talk explains how the biggest non profit proponent of open source > > > development came to its philosophies and brought contributors all over > > the > > > world together to build some of the greatest open source products in > > > existence today. > > > > > > > > > #7 Talk 6168 - The Apache Way Practice, By Nick Burch United Kingdom > > > http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6169 > > > > > > Theory is relevant, but tales of experiences, lessons learned help to > > give > > > the theory that extra punch to get the message across. > > > > > > #8 Talk 6107 - Bridging the Gap Between Enterprise Users and Open > Source. > > > By Mike Bates, USA > http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/proposals/6107 > > > > > > I see this presentation as a potential driving force to increase the > > > adoption of Open Source solutions in general and of Apache products in > > > particular. After all, no open source project can exists without users. > > > > > > > > > Should you have questions and or remarks regarding this, feel free to > > post. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Pierre Smits > > > > > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > > > Services & Solutions for Cloud- > > > Based Manufacturing, Professional > > > Services and Retail & Trade > > > http://www.orrtiz.com > > > > > >
