> No it stays. Oh. That isn't so good. Then I guess your idea to ignore new user ratings (etc.) seems like a sensible approach.
Btw. I think it would also be good to give the more recent ratings a higher weighting then the old ones .... as it was mentioned in another thread. On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 11:00 AM, AE <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Mar 7, 9:07 am, Mariano Kamp <[email protected]> wrote: > > What about AE (or another single person) trying it out in public? Say > what > > user he creates and what app he will rate/comment with *****. We can > watch > > if it gets deleted. I don't consider AE cheating if he does it once, in > > public, and as part of an experiment. > > Yes I have done it and to see if it really true and it works. > > > On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Al Sutton <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Have you confirmed yourself on a G1 that after multiple 'phone resets > > > and comments/ratings they all stay in the market for more than 48 > hours? > > No it stays. > > > > I'd be surprised if there wasn't a filtering mechanism which looked for > > > multiple comments/ratings from the same 'phone which ran (possibly as a > > > daily batch job). > > Also to add for everyone here. If I had an evil vision :D I wouldn't > be telling what I have found it in open public :D Furthermore not even > come up with suggestion to solve the issue. Also the reason for > raising the issue here is -- if all the app developer start doing it > bingo we will have a serious credibility crisis for the android > market! and thus Google must solve this as soon as possible. It really > have the potential to destroy the android eco-system. > > Regards > AE > > > > AE wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > It is my understanding that the "popularity index" uses several > > > > parameters to such as rating, comments (not directly but indirectly), > > > > number of downloads, active install, total install, installs from > > > > regular users, install from dev phones, age of the app, number of > > > > phone sales in a region, etc,etc -- there is probably 500 elements > > > > that are in the works! And rightfully so Google doesn't want folks to > > > > game the system. > > > > > > Now what I like to stress here is the following -- the 3 key element > > > > that is presented to users prior to download is number of downloads, > > > > rating, comments. No matter how much we argue at the end of day -- > the > > > > users makes his/her decision "somewhat" based on the above 3 > > > > parameters. Interestingly all of the above parameters can be > > > > manipulated by doing the following. > > > > > > a. Download the app - rank and comment > > > > b. Reset your phone - Create new user > > > > c. Repeat A > > > > > > And if you get say 5 college kid doing the above.. bingo you can > > > > always make sure that visible 3 comments are clean and positive -- > > > > you can also use those comments as a megaphone to tell the users -- > > > > what more can your app do -- beside the 325 char description , you > > > > keep your rating stable at 4.7/4.6 (so you don't look to greedy) and > > > > your number of downloads are increasing. Not only that while you are > > > > at it you might as well go ahead and make lower rating and ugly > > > > comments to competitors app -- and you make sure you uninstall > > > > competitors app, where as you don't uninstall your app -- you just > hit > > > > for the "hard reset" -- because you send the signal -- that the phone > > > > might be off -- rinse and repeat!!! Yes very true this will not > > > > increase your popularity but slowly and surely by doing so you can > > > > only go up cos if all of the ranking elements produce "X" and the > > > > above 3 elements say produce "Y" -- no matter how insignificant these > > > > 3 parameter is -- you are on the positive -- never the less you have > a > > > > propaganda megaphone to the users who download your apps. In every > > > > damn category all the top 20 - 30 apps stays the same, I have not > seen > > > > them moving out of that space !! > > > > > > I am complete disgusted by the above, I worked hard to develop my > app, > > > > I used the SDK so I can take advantage of all the phone features and > I > > > > am honest and what it gets me -- nada! So why should I develop app -- > > > > what incentive does it provide me if I don't have the money power to > > > > buy my friends 5-10 G1 to game the system!! > > > > > > I have couple of ideas to the above problem - and I am sure there are > > > > many here who has even better idea then i list below -- > > > > > > 1. Rating from the "new" users i.e. created on the fly users -- > should > > > > be separated from the users who are verified i.e. been using google > > > > for a while and have a history, so I propose 2 ratings rather then > one > > > > - why - it should be transparent to the end consumer (No propaganda > > > > megaphone) -- how you use to evaluate popularity -- not my business > > > > and its googles secret. > > > > > > 2. Comments should have added "star" or colors to identify also the > > > > user has no history with google i.e. Amazon's "REAL NAME". Again > > > > transparent to end consumer > > > > > > Yes, I do want to have "real users comments" and their "ratings" and > > > > show the world "total downloads" -- it just helps me improve my app. > > > > But we need a fair playing field that's my request. I am sure many of > > > > you know the above -- at least its a open secret! 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