Hi all,

Which group should I put the messages about *cupcake* bluetooth into? 
Any idea?

thanks,
husheng

Qwavel wrote:
> Is there any update on this?
>
> Specifically, have decisions been made about whether to limit
> bluetooth comm to paired devices - as discussed below?
>
> Thanks,
> Tom.
>
> On Dec 22 2008, 1:01 am, Qwavel <[email protected]> wrote:
>   
>> Nick,
>>
>> Thanks for participating in this open conversation about thebluetooth
>> API - this is the first time that I'm aware of that outside developers
>> have had the opportunity to express themselves at this stage in the
>> development of a phone OS/API.
>>
>> As I'm sure you are aware,Bluetoothdata connection between apps are
>> supported by JSR82.  To the best of my knowledge, the only platform on
>> which pairing is required for these connections is the Blackberry.  As
>> far as I can tell, this was done for the pretense of security since
>> the platform was originally only targeted at the enterprise market.
>> On the Blackberry dev forums I regularly see confusion and surprise
>> about this restriction.
>>
>> The only other platform (beside the Blackberry) which really 
>> limitsbluetoothis the iPhone, but this is expected of Apple.
>>
>> I am being dismissive about the security advantages of the blackberry
>> approach for these reasons:
>>
>> - The majority of phones available now (in Europe but not in the US)
>> allow full access to JSR82, without requiring pairing, and without
>> even requiring that the midlet be signed.
>>
>> - More importantly, I've not encountered any regret about this, or any
>> sense that it is a mistake.  Instead, easy access to JSR82 is
>> spreading: now, even LG and Samsung are starting to provide this.
>>
>> - Security concerns like this should not be addressed by limiting the
>> functionality of the system, when they can be addressed at the
>> application security level.  I can't comment on the difficulty of
>> implementing this, but certainly it would be better to produce an OS
>> that is not limited in the way that the BB and iPhone are.
>>
>> If you really believe thatbluetoothcommunication without pairing is
>> a security hole - and I believe that Nokia and SE have shown that it
>> isn't - then I think it would be better handled by the application
>> level security mechanisms.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tom.
>>
>> On Dec 3, 12:22 pm, Nick Pelly <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> We are likely to preventBluetoothdata connections (RFCOMM) from apps
>>> unless the two phones have been paired. It's really hard to make
>>> security work any other way.
>>>       
>>> Nick
>>> Android Systems Engineer
>>>       
>>> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 1:37 AM, whitemice <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Hi Nick
>>>> While we are on the subject, I am looking for Android *Ad-hoc*
>>>> Bluetoothsupport.
>>>>         
>>>> Example: Alice and Bob both have my client running on their phones,
>>>> and walk withinBluetoothrange of each other in a social setting.  I
>>>> want the application to:
>>>> (a) Be able to detect the otherBluetoothphone in the room
>>>> (b) Detect that the same application is running on the other phone
>>>> (c) Create a data connection between the two phones without asking for
>>>> the user's permission (permission is granted beforehand).
>>>>         
>>>> Is this considered a security problem, or will this kind of thing be
>>>> allowed in the new API?
>>>>         
>>>> Some more info on what I am doing….
>>>> http://blog.zedray.com/snowball/
>>>>         
>>>> Regards
>>>> Mark
>>>>         
> >
>
>   

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