I had a boss that named that smell “Allen Bradley”.  He would come into the lab 
after something interesting happened and sniff and remark, “smells like Allen 
Bradley has been here”.

From: Mark Radabaugh 
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2017 7:17 PM
To: [email protected] 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT in search of 400/230 VAC

For my schools BSEE everyone had to take power and the lab.  Most hated it, I 
actually liked it.   The 'lab final' the professor made us take wasn't his best 
idea.   Lab was in the basement and I'm taking the second session.  Elevator 
doors open to the basement and the smell of burnt electrical gear is strong.  
Professor walks out with a armload of of test equipment headed for the repair 
shop shaking his head and mumbling 'not a good idea,  bad idea'

Mark Radabaugh 
Amplex
22690 Pemberville Rd
Luckey, OH 43447
419-261-5996

On Jan 7, 2017, at 8:58 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote:


  In college the only guys that got the 3 phase classes were in the power 
engineering track.  I don’t recall a single lecture or homework assignment 
about it.  

  From: Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2017 6:49 PM
  To: [email protected] 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT in search of 400/230 VAC

  Had to learn me some 3 phase stuff... if going from delta to Y there is 
indeed a square root of three applied to the turns ratio.  
  So if I take a hacksaw to the primary and convert it to a Y, then the 
original turns ratio should reappear.  Should....

  From: Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2017 6:05 PM
  To: [email protected] 
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT in search of 400/230 VAC

  OK, last month I tried to use a 240-208 transformer to convert 480 to 400.  
Transformer complained and that poor old 480 circuit breaker just would not 
cooperate.

  So, today I have a 240 to 480 delta to delta.  I rewired the 480 side to Y by 
joining all the taps.  
  Feeding 208 in the 240 side should have given me 416 volts... one would think.

  First try, the transformer made lots of noise the the wires were dancing in 
the conduit.  Probably means something is wrong.  So I disconnected the Y 
connection and just had three windings on the HV secondary.  But I was getting 
720 volts instead of 400.  Hmmm..

  OK, not understanding something here, but it is off by a factor of the square 
root of 3 so it is a three phase problem and I would have to break out a book 
about phasor diagrams to understand it.  I did discover that if I connected all 
the outputs and left the taps floating it remained silent.  If I connected the 
taps and left the outputs floating it grunted loudly.  Don’t understand that 
either but I am sure it has something to so with phase relations.

  So, thinking that the transformation ratio changes by the square root of 3 
when you go from delta to Y, tomorrow I am thinking of converting the primary 
to Y so we are Y-Y and hopefully the original ratio will re-appear.  

  I will be feeding it from a 208 delta circuit.  

  This will involving taking a small hack saw to those huge square copper 
windings on the primary side to disconnect them from each other and tie three 
ends together.  So kinda kills the resale value of the transformer if it does 
not work.  

  So far, no smoke, fire, arc flash or electrocution.  I was using a fluke 
voltmeter on 720 volts and bare hands though.....
  If I make my wife a widow, please nominate me for a Darwin.  

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