Well - I can tell you it is not just windstream that does that.... lol
thanks for the info Lewis!

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Lewis Bergman 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 2:51 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream....


  You don't have to hit me off list for my 2 cents. Offerings are fine. 
Contracting and billing border on extortion. I had a two year contract with 
them that I cancelled. They continued to bill and I tried for months to get 
them to stop. They eventually sent me to a collections firm. I asked for 
contract copies and all they ever would send was a copy of the bill with a 
contract date printed on it 2 years in the future. When I asked to get a copy 
of contract I signed that either had that date or an auto renewal they would 
just resend the invoice. This even though I sent them recordings, certified 
letters, and email chains from their people accepting the cancellation.


  I have no idea if it still shows up on my businesses' credit but it doesn't 
much matter I guess. I haven't been turned down for anything. Maybe all the CC 
guys know them already and discount their reporting. Anyway, their billing 
sucks. They refuse to let you cancel. I would definitely read the part about 
cancellation. Maybe ask to have the contract signor on their part initial that 
section.
  Bastards.


  On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:37 PM Chris Fabien <[email protected]> wrote:

    We just signed a contract with them. Their billing and sales practices are 
a bit shady. Hit me offline for more info. But their pricing was too good to 
turn down. 


    On Jan 6, 2017 1:21 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <[email protected]> 
wrote:


      I am wanting to know if they're reliable, if they deliver what they quote 
(unlike some other companies) and horror stories....

        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Josh Luthman 
        To: [email protected] 
        Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 12:16 PM
        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream....


        What are you asking for exactly?  Give them your address and how much 
bandwidth you want (1g or 10g) and get a price.




        Josh Luthman
        Office: 937-552-2340
        Direct: 937-552-2343
        1100 Wayne St
        Suite 1337
        Troy, OH 45373


        On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:00 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
<[email protected]> wrote:




          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: Fitzpatrick, George 
          To: [email protected] 
          Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 8:32 AM
          Subject: RE: Windstream Wholesale Wave Pricing Promotion


          Good Morning Jay, 



          Was hoping to speak to see if we could lower some of your network 
costs or provide some network diversity.                       







          Windstream Wholesale is expanding our fiber network across the 
country, providing Ethernet, IP Transit, DIA, MPLS, Dark Fiber, Wave and 
10/40/100 GE services.

          We are the 6th largest fiber provider in the country, Fortune 500, 
with about $6 billion in revenue.

          Windstream has over 8,000 corporate locations on-net, over 5,000 
wireless towers on-net, 1200 service ready 10GE POP locations, 400 service 
ready 100GE POP locations nationwide



          Please direct me to the appropriate people who would find this 
relevant or please let me know when we can have a quick overview call, thanks.



          George Fitzpatrick   ::  windstream wholesale   ::  content , media, 
gaming & cloud providers 
          Account Director [email protected] I 917-444-5933(m)

          | more info | interactive network map









            ----- Original Message ----- 
            From: James Howard 
            To: [email protected] 
            Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 11:46 AM
            Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream....


            Sure!  What was their pricing for the 10G Wave?



            From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller


            Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 11:43 AM
            To: [email protected]


            Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream....






            Does anyone want to Comment on Windstream? :)



            Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone



            ----- Reply message -----
            From: [email protected]
            To: <[email protected]>


            Subject: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream....


            Date: Fri, Jan 6, 2017 11:25 AM

            It was a bit warmer when I did it in Illinois.  Perhaps –20 and the 
droplets did make a shattering sound when they hit the ground.  



            From: Bill Prince 

            Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 10:22 AM

            To: [email protected] 

            Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream....



            Colder.

            At about -45 to -50 It will freeze before it hits the ground

            At about -70 to -75 it will freeze shortly after hitting the air, 
sometimes explode in the air.

            I tried this when I experienced -55 when I lived in Minnesota. You 
could spit, and the spittle would make a tinkling sound as the frozen bits hit 
the ground.



bp<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 1/6/2017 8:38 AM, [email protected] wrote:

              My wife was asking if it was cold enough to throw a pan of hot 
water in the air and have it freeze before hitting the ground.� We have an 
employee from Texas that has never seen this.� I told her I thought it needed 
to be �15 or colder for that to happen.� It has been a long time since I 
have done it.� 

              �

              From: Travis Johnson 

              Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 9:32 AM

              To: [email protected] 

              Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream....

              �

              -12F at my house this morning. School has been canceled here the 
last two days.

              Travis



              On 1/6/2017 9:22 AM, [email protected] wrote:

                -7 at my house this morning.� Snappy!

                �

                From: CBB - Jay Fuller 

                Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 9:16 AM

                To: [email protected] ; [email protected] 

                Subject: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream....

                �

                �

                Good morning everyone.

                �

                I'm looking at upstream providers as the contract with my 
current (not so happy) provider is nearly up.� I got an unsolicited quote 
from windstream this morning that looked pretty good for 10 gig wave.� As as 
we considering fiber to the home in the near future I thought I'd give this a 
second look.� Glancing through list archives and the web, I've seen 
windstream has had problems delivering committed bandwidth in the past.� I've 
also read they did a lot of buying and may not have integrated very well.� 

                �

                Recently I saw a post from Chuck Hogg explaining several WISPA 
folks had gotten together with windstream folks and got a list of tower lit 
locations which I think is pretty good.� We are also looking at several 
options - I'm just looking at price + value + our future needs - knowing all of 
this changes dramatically every time we look at it.

                �

                Finally I know windstream recently purchased earthlink which a 
few years ago purchased ITC Deltacom which had a pretty extensive network in 
Alabama.� We may also need connectivity in centurylink areas - so this may be 
a better option for us than trying to do some kind of ATT ASE circuit - i just 
don't know yet.

                �

                So - please - let me know your thoughts on windstream.� Is 
anyone using them now and unhappy?� If so, why?

                �

                I'm also headed out for a few hours so i won't get a chance to 
reply to your comments until later this afternoon when Alabama's semiannual 
snowmagedden event begins - so we'll all be trapped in our homes for 24-48 
hours starting about 3 pm.... :)

                �

                Happy Friday!

                �

                �






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