They say it was an Altoid mini breath mint.
*From:*AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, September 22, 2025 5:35 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Autism and Tylenol
Apparently they didn't listen.
Nothing is off the table. First time in my life government related
research could say that.
We will see
I don't think Trump has ever had Tylenol
On Mon, Sep 22, 2025, 5:12 PM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote:
https://arstechnica.com/health/2025/09/anti-vaccine-groups-melt-down-over-reports-rfk-jr-to-link-autism-to-tylenol/
*From:*AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Monday, September 22, 2025 4:23 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Autism and Tylenol
The diagnostic criteria for autism (and for that matter ADHD) have
changed a lot over the past couple decades. Any comparisons over
time that don’t take this into account will conclude there is an
“epidemic” and start looking for a “cause”.
I guess I go back to my dad who was a food chemist (we’re talking
a long time ago) and he explained once to young me about how some
chemicals had limits for how much was allowed, while others the
allowable level was zero, which meant no detectable level. And
measurement capability was always advancing. So this meant the
stuff with zero detectable level would become a problem when it
wasn’t previously. Not because they were adding more mouse
droppings to the hot dogs, but because they got better at
detecting mouse droppings. Or lead or mercury or whatever he was
talking about.
I am more familiar with the situation with ADHD because of a
family member, but anyone with kids knows lots are being diagnosed
with ADHD while in the past it was just written off as behavioral
problems. So overall maybe a good thing, unless they’re going too
far the other way. The latest thing I think is they’re diagnosing
adults with ADHD, somehow that was being ignored, like only kids
have it. So again, not an epidemic, just a change in diagnostic
criteria.
The other thing as someone already pointed out, is that
correlation isn’t causality.
*From:*AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, September 22, 2025 3:53 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Autism and Tylenol
Oh jeez
My boy needs to stop talking
On Mon, Sep 22, 2025 at 3:36 PM Steve Jones
<[email protected]> wrote:
As long as pharma gets out of policy and "science" im good.
have them stick to development and limit their marketing. The
can do developmental science all day, but their scientist stay
out of policy.
I think it will be awesome funny if its not tyleneol and all
the mopes screeching about it being that before the
announcement are wrong
Tylenol has never been trustworthy no matter how well it
works. I watched the documentary on the tylenol killings
recently, I was young so ony remember the hootinanny but not
the details. The levels they went to to cover up the poisons
in the manufacturing facilites was cray cray.
Hevy tylenol use does correlate to the increase in precedence
of the autist revolution
FYI, Im 99 percent sure Im an autist, but I cured it by being
a dick, no lie. But for real, its fucking miserable, being a
dick helps a lot. So if you know one of these jittery autists,
take my word for it, every days a bad day, unless its not,
then its A-OK. Tylenol wasa regular staple in my mom and
grandmas cabinet
Regardless of the announcement today, the mope dicks will say
its wrong, look now at the people already arguing against the
science of it that they havent even been presented.
On Mon, Sep 22, 2025 at 2:56 PM Ken Hohhof <[email protected]>
wrote:
And yet apparently now glyphosate is fine, nothing to see
here, move along.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rfk-jr-tells-farmers-gop-not-to-worry-pesticides-report/
So for some reason Monsanto and farmers are safe but
Kenvue has a target on its back? Inquiring minds want to know.
Actually RFK does some things I like (e.g. convincing food
companies to eliminate artificial dyes without making
overt threats), but more that I don’t, and he seems to be
a dangerous quack just like people said he was. He also
seems to have lied during his confirmation hearings.
*From:*AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Mark
Radabaugh
*Sent:* Monday, September 22, 2025 2:39 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Autism and Tylenol
But when do we get to see the short seller report? Cause
I’m willing to be it has some interesting names on it.
Mark
It is not publicly known who shorted Kenvue stock in the
weeks leading up to reports that Robert F. Kennedy Jr., as
Health and Human Services (HHS) secretary, was expected to
link Tylenol to autism. Information about short-selling
activity is not immediately disclosed, and the Wall Street
Journal's September 5, 2025, report that caused the
initial stock drop did not name specific investors.
Here is what is known about the short-selling and RFK
Jr.'s actions:
* The stock drop: Kenvue's stock fell more than 10% on
Friday, September 5, 2025, following the Wall Street
Journal report that Kennedy would likely announce a
link between the company's Tylenol and autism. The
news was met with immediate pushback from Kenvue and
the scientific community, which states there is no
evidence of a causal link.
* Institutional trades: Public records of large,
institutional stock sales and purchases are reported
quarterly and are not available in real-time. This
means that the specific short-selling activity just
before the September 5 report is not publicly identified.
* Previous anti-vaccine and anti-pharma statements: The
stock market has reacted to Kennedy's anti-vaccine and
anti-pharma positions before. For example,
vaccine-maker stocks fell in November 2024 when he was
named to lead HHS. This suggests that investors were
aware of the potential for market-moving statements
from Kennedy related to public health and pharmaceuticals.
* No proof of insider trading: There is no public
evidence suggesting any illegal insider trading
occurred in this instance. For short-selling to be
considered illegal insider trading, it would need to
be proven that an investor received and acted upon
specific, non-public information about Kennedy's
announcement.
On Sep 22, 2025, at 3:13 PM, Josh Luthman
<[email protected]> wrote:
Every single vaccine without thought?
On Mon, Sep 22, 2025 at 2:13 PM <[email protected]> wrote:
Yeah, you will get no argument from me. But I am
crazy enough to take every vaccine I can get too...
-----Original Message-----
From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of
Bill Prince
The HHS (or NIH or CDC or some combination of the
three) are going to blame Tylenol for autism soon.
However, I just listened to a science-based
podcast that looked into the matter. There is a
20% increase in the probability that correlates
Tylenol with autism (in some reports), BUT the
studies that did find the correlation did not
factor in secondary and tertiary conditions like
the mother's age or that she had a fever (for
which she probably took Tylenol). When they
factored in those situations, the 20% correlation
flat-lined (AKA went away).
Correlation is not causation is the watch phrase.
RFK does not know how to read medical reports.
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